Hour 2: Combatting Illegal Orders or Flirting with Sedition? | Darin Kinder’s 9/11 Survival Story
Podcasts > Shake It Off with Mert & Lucas
Tune in each week, as an established lawyer, and a self- proclaimed “man of the people,” debate some of the hottest issues impacting our city, state and nation.
Monday, December 15, 2025
The hosts explore the uproar over the video made by six Democratic lawmakers reminding U.S. service members of their duty to refuse unlawful orders—a message denounced by President Trump as “seditious.” They examine the clash between discipline and constitutional fidelity, the governing legal standards, and how public opinion reveals sharp partisan divides. The show concludes with an interview featuring Darin Kinder, retired U.S. Secret Service agent and author of Bury Me in a Dirty Suit (2025), his gripping account of surviving the South Tower collapse on 9/11 and reflections on courage, faith, and purpose.
